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Luminous: Can psychedelics be decolonized?

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🗓️ 6 July 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

It’s easy to get caught up in the hype about how psychedelics might revolutionize the treatment of mental illness. But there are also lots of ethical concerns. And probably none are so troubling as the charges of exploitation and cultural appropriation. The fact is, the knowledge about many psychedelics — like magic mushrooms and ayahuasca — comes from the sacred ceremonies of Indigenous cultures. But over the past century, Western scientists and pharmaceutical companies have been going into these cultures, collecting plants and synthesizing their chemical compounds.

Even if science is all about building on the knowledge of earlier discoveries, what is the psychedelic industry's ethical responsibility? Can psychedelics be decolonized?

Original Air Date: October 21, 2023

Interviews In This Hour:
The Tragic Story of Maria Sabina's Sacred Mushrooms Empowering Indigenous voices in the psychedelic industryThe long history of psychedelic theftSpirit Medicine: Yuria Celidwen's vision for an ethical psychedelics

Guests:
Michael Pollan, Dennis McKenna, Erika Dyck, Katherine MacLean, Sutton King, Rachel Fernandez, Lucas Richert, Yuria Celidwen


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0:00.0

Hey, it's Steve.

0:04.4

And this is Luminous, a podcast series about psychedelics from To the Best of Our Knowledge.

0:12.2

It's easy to get caught up in the hype about how psychedelics might revolutionize the treatment

0:17.0

of mental illness, but there are also lots of ethical concerns.

0:21.6

And probably none are so troubling as the charges of exploitation and cultural appropriation.

0:27.6

The fact is the knowledge about many psychedelics, like magic mushrooms and ayahuasca,

0:32.6

comes from indigenous cultures, but they're being developed by Western scientists and pharmaceutical

0:39.0

companies. I mentioned this recently to a leading scientist at a psychedelic conference and said I was

0:45.0

doing a podcast episode about decolonizing psychedelics, and he was kind of incredulous. He said science

0:51.6

is all about building on the knowledge of earlier discoveries

0:54.5

wherever they come from. So if new psychedelic medicines can really help people, scientists should

1:00.7

tap every possible source. I've been mulling over his argument, but the problem is you can't

1:07.4

really separate science from culture. And that's especially true when it comes to the history of plant medicines.

1:14.1

So, can psychedelics be decolonized?

1:22.5

From WPR.

1:32.4

It's to the best of our knowledge.

1:34.0

I'm Anne Strangeamps.

1:35.3

And I'm Steve Paulson.

1:42.1

And this is Luminous, our series on the science and history of psychedelics.

1:51.7

In June of 2023, 12,000 people converged on Denver for the biggest psychedelic conference in history.

1:53.9

It was kind of a coming out party, five days with scientists, mystics, and psychonauts.

2:04.6

Even celebrities like Aaron Rogers and Melissa Etheridge talking up the therapeutic potential of the new psychedelic revolution.

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