And I have really two things that we need to look at first, these two words, love and ordeal.

What do they mean? What could they possibly mean? Well, I'm going to use an old dodge.

There's a medieval maxim.

It's usually attributed, I think, to St. Thomas,

but it doesn't appear in any of his works.

Never deny, seldom affirm, always distinguish.

So I'm gonna say, love can be said in many ways.

We can understand love, I think, in let's just say, true principal ways,

although you might see in CS Lewis's works four different ways in which you distinguish love.

I'm going to just look at two of these.

One, love as desire or passion or appetite,

I understand in that way, something that I think the modern world understands very well.

And the second one is love that I think the modern world understands very well.

And the second one is love as virtue.

For the purposes of this talk, I am going to,

I'm going to be focusing really just on that first meaning, because I'm going to be talking about virtues in my next talk.

So here we're going to be concentrating on love as desire or passion or appetite.

And then we're going to get to the word ordeal later.

I love Ferraris, or I love the cold chill of a beautiful fall day, or I love a crisp cold apple.

This is not to say that we have a relationship in charity, or if we were to use the terminology of CS-Lewis,

Agapet towards an apple, or towards a Ferrari, for that matter, or a cold, the cold chill.

These things are all inadequate, after all, to our sense of love in that way.

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