Welcome back to PodSafe the World. Today my guest is Jeffrey Gettelman who is the Bureau

Chief of the New York Times' East Africa Bureau and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize for International

Reporting. He's also the author of a new book Love, Kamma, Africa that everyone should

read because it's an incredible story that is accessible and fun and like a page-turner

but also helps you understand what it's like to be a foreign correspondent to understand

the challenges of that job, the sacrifices you have to make. It's just an awesome book.

Thank you so much Jeffrey for being on the pod today. My pleasure. It's funny because

I don't know that we've ever met but I've read and admired your reporting for such a long

time and I read half of the new book over the weekend. I tell the truth here on the podcast

I would not pretend that I finished it because I started on Friday night but it is a

fascinating book and I just love it because it's a book that's about like figuring what

the hell you're going to do with your life and how you find love and meaning and excitement

with the backdrop of the most intense adventures I could ever imagine running around Africa

and reporting in all these dangerous places all over the world. I was thinking we could

start there by talking a little bit about how you do your job. I've never been to Africa

so my knowledge of what's happening there really depends on what I read and people like

you and that's something I think people I want them to understand about government in

general which is we spend billions of dollars on intelligence and to have diplomats all

over the world but reporters can go to places and talk to people that nobody else can and

that that work that they do that you do is invaluable. So when someone tells you that

they're canceling the New York Times description because they didn't like Brett Stevens's

column tell them they shouldn't cancel it because there's not many people that are on

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