Join Hoda Kottby for a brand new season of her podcast Making Space.

For season 5, I am making space to talk to people who are providing a sense of hope and

inspiration when life changes course.

Uplifting conversations with inspiring individuals like NFL legend Drew Breeze,

singer-songwriter Ziggy Marley, and today show co-anchor Savannah Guthrie as you have never heard her before.

I found faith more viscerally not because the bad thing didn't happen but because it did.

I promise you like me believe these conversations with

some wisdom for your own journey, empowered and inspired to make space in your own

life. New episodes of making space with Hodaocopy are released every Wednesday.

Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts.

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God does give us free will and God does provide for us but gives us the ambition

to the drive to make our dreams come true.

Welcome to the Jesus Calling podcast when we face darkness in our lives that threatens

to overwhelm us. It can feel like it's harder and harder to find any light. But in Hebrew

619 it says, we have this hope as an anger for the soul, firm and secure. That

anchor is Jesus. And he is waiting to hear our cares and concerns and is present to be when they started to lose hope and humanity.

Talk show host and author Tamron Hall had periods in her life where her job took a toll on her mental health.

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