Hello and welcome to your Tuesday edition of The Nerve.

I am your host, Maureen Callahan.

And today, a nerve favorite, a real provocateur, professor Sam Vaknan is with us.

Now, we spoke to him earlier in January, but we decided to hold this interview.

There was a Nick Reiner arraignment date that got pushed back. And so we thought this might do

better there. But then the Savannah Guthrie case exploded. And as we know, based on

Ashley Banfield's impeccable reporting, and she's been on the nerve to discuss it, law enforcement

has been looking at Savannah Guthrie's brother-in-law and potentially sister as prime suspects

in the disappearance of their mother, 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie.

If this turns out to be the case, we are looking at yet another very high-profile case of intimate family violence.

You know, it was what made the OJ case so shocking. It seems as though it's like a complete

rarity, like an outlier of a crime. And as we began speaking with Sam, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the the, the, the second characters who show up in the Old Testament, Canaan Abel.

So it's been with us, it seems, since the birth of humanity.

So Sam is joining us to talk about this.

And again, you think a conversation with Sam is going to go one way, and he brings you along to the most fascinating back roads intellectually, philosophically, spiritually, morally.

So we think you're going to really enjoy this conversation as much as we did.

It's a conversation you really won't hear anywhere else but on the nerve.

And then after that, we are going to do some troublemaker feedback just to lighten things up a bit.

Here we go.

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