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Hello, you're very welcome to Long Reads, a Jacobin podcast where we look in

depth at political topics and thinkers. My name's Daniel Finn. On the features editor here at Jacobin,

and I'll be presenting the show. The song we're listening to should need no introduction.

This version of the Marseilles was performed at the World Cup Final in Paris in 1998.

Ten years earlier, Dutch football fans beltered at their own national anthem

at the European Championship Final in Germany.

The Dutch song, Vilhelmus, has one crucial thing in common with the Marseilles.

They're both products of a revolutionary struggle. The Dutch revolved to the 16th century

defeated the Spanish monarchy, the great European superpower of its day. It may not be as well

remembered as the English Civil War or the French Revolution, but it was a watershed moment

in the development of modern Europe. Our guest today is Pepin Brandon. He's an historian at

VU University in Amsterdam and the author of War, Capital and the Dutch State. This is the first

part of a two-part interview. What was the social context and the system of political rule in

the Netherlands during the period leading up to the Dutch revolt? So we're talking about a revolt

that took place in the second half of the 16th century that covered an area that was called

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