This is the Friends of History Debating Society.

I'm Guy as Germanicus is here.

We're enjoying ourselves.

We have 2,000 years to play with, and so it's fun.

But in this instance, we're being disciplined.

The Roman Empire, the British Empire, the American Empire.

What we learn from lessons in each, the Roman Empire, 1,500 years.

Successfully in the 5th century made a move to Constantinople

and dominated with that triple wall, everything until the cannon showed up with the Ottoman Turks in the 16th century.

However, we're dealing now with the American Empire inheriting directly from the British Empire,

Mother England. And in reading about that second full year of war, 1777, after Trenton, after the miracle of

Trenton, when Washington continues to lose battles and retreat, there's one victory that matters,

and that's Saratoga, Burghoin.

But in the meantime, it's important to look at the two commanders who were at loggerheads

about how to win the war.

One was the commander-in-chief of the British forces in North America, Sir William Howe.

Born 1729, died 1814.

And the other was the commander-in-chief replacing Howe in 1778, Sir Henry Clinton,

who had spent a childhood because his father was a governor in the colonies

and had been a professional soldier ranging

across the empire, Canada, Africa, I don't know, he was everywhere. They sent him. He was a

problem solver. Clinton believed in hard power, what we were translating. You use the army

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