This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I am Gaius. Germanicus is here and we're discussing the Imperial Project.

We set that aside for the moment to deal with the complaining coming from Keefe.

Mrs. Olensky, the president for some time now, I believe he's in the sixth year of his four-year term,

is offering to give up the presidency in exchange for peace. This is a vanity project for him, and I would recommend that he

listen very carefully. It's time for him to step off the stage and to hold an election and bring forward somebody

who is capable of dealing with Russia

in a subordinate fashion

because that's what Ukraine is.

It's subordinate to Russia.

And the Imperial Project doesn't prop up, suborns to opposite empires.

That's not our territory.

It's very odd, Germanicus.

Just a note here.

Ukraine talks about its noble sacrifice and how it's spent the last three years fighting Russia.

Well, I've done a little bit of Ukrainian history.

It's spent the last thousand years fighting Moscow.

And it'll spend the next thousand years fighting Moscow.

Two big dogs are always going to fight.

These two have always been tangling with each other.

We just wandered into it as if it's our problem.

The American Republicans repeatedly got itself into messes like this.

Look what happened in Vietnam.

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