This is the Friends Minister debating society. I am Gaya's John Bachelor. I welcome Germanicus Mark of Lejos

Londonium it is

momentary to summertime it is pleasant here in Londonium the Thames is for a moment not turbulent

The retired centurions and their wives and children are

are on holiday for the moment

The epidemic that curses all of us now and again might still be here and we've not been able to go to the theatre for some weeks

But that's all right. There's reading to do and it is summertime to enjoy

At the same time we're looking two thousand years ahead where there's anything but calm

during the Ukraine war with Russia and during the NATO gathering of Eagles a

plan for July

I welcome Germanicus to interpret NATO because the fog of war has completely descended on the Donbass

Where there's said to be a counteroffensive where there's said to be defensive positions where both sides are making claims of other

Progress or casualties so we leave that alone and go to where we do have some clarity which is NATO

the end Stoltenberg this secretary general of NATO has now been asked to stay on another tour

By President Biden we presume that will happen but in any event right now the ask has been made

NATO is scheduled to meet in Vilnius the capital of Lithuania

in July and that promises to be a

significant event in that war is underway

fierce war with all the NATO weapons that continue to flow into Ukraine and

And there are three members of NATO who are raising their hand for what should have to say is descent

one is hungry hungry headed by Viktor Orban is

Not entirely in the NATO Ukraine camp then again. He's not in the Russian

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