Good afternoon and welcome along to Unbelievably. I'm Justin Briley. This is the show that

brings you conversations that matter every week from Premier Christian Radio and via

podcast as well. So wherever you are, however you're listening, thank you for choosing

Unbelievably. And I've such an interesting debate for you today. By the end of today's

show, your brain may be aching. Towards the end of the program though, I'm going to give

you more details on an interesting interview I had with Justin Wellby recently, the Archbishop

of Canterbury lookout for that. And also details coming up as well about next week's exciting

show, which will be broadcast live via our YouTube channel as well as John Lennox and Peter

Atkins meet at Southampton University. You can find out more about Unbelievably, past

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besides at our webpage, premierChristianradio.com slash unbelievable. Well time to get into today's

show. It's a deep dive into some pretty interesting philosophical waters as we discuss consciousness,

logos, mind and so on. One of those ones you might even want to if you're listening

via podcast, rewind and listen again because there's a lot crammed in and having a philosophical

dictionary nearby might help as well. Let's meet today's guests.

Well today on the show we're debating logos, god, our ability to make sense of the world,

some interesting subjects under discussion today. And I think it was Albert Einstein who

said this or something like this. The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that

it is comprehensible. And in his new book Logos, the mystery of how we make sense of the

world, philosopher Raymond Talis explores the various explanations for why we humans

have a mind capable of understanding the universe. It exists in Raymond is himself an atheist.

Today he's in conversation with US theologian and philosopher David Bentley Hart. Now among David's

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