Welcome to Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School

Theology, Biola University. I'm your host, Sean McDow, Professor of Apologetics. We're here today with a beloved graduate of Biola

who's just doing some wonderful work in the world of philosophy and thinking critically.

Travis Dickinson is a professor of philosophy at Dallas Baptist University

and the author of a new book called Logic and the Way of Jesus, thinking critically

and Christianly. Travis, thanks so much for joining us on the Think Bibbically Podcast.

Sean, it's great to be with you brother.

Well, you gave me the privilege of endorsing your book, and I think it's...

Which I'm very thankful for.

Well, thanks for saying that.

It's an excellent book and so needed right now for just a range of reasons.

But before we jump into some of the particulars, just give us a 30,000. of Yes, well my goal is really to sell a million copies. No, I'm just kidding. The

goal is honestly this this really comes out of my own journey. It was very much a sort of transformative moment in my own life that I

realized and was sort of challengedintellectual I think,

it wasn't that I was an anti-intellectual, I think,

but I just didn't sort of see faith in the intellectual life as something that kind of went together in the same sentence.

And so I can talk more about that moment since it's going to involve guys like J.P. Morland and other Talbot

folks if you want to but the goal of the

book really is to express some of those things that that meant so much to me in my own life

in my own pursuit of God where I came to realize that we're actually commanded.

Not only is it that faith in the intellectual life can go together but that it ought to go together and that we're

commanded by Jesus to love God with all of who we are and that that's a devotional pursuit, not, right? It's love God and that includes loving God with our

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