Welcome in to the Locked-on Bengals podcast on a Friday. I'm James Rapine. Great to have you in.

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no music today. Broadcasting from my home office, getting set to go to Jacksonville, where I will be watching this Sunday, the Bengals, take on the Jacksonville Jaguars.

And I mentioned it yesterday, so let's get right to it. I interviewed Dave Lapham on my daily radio show on ESPN 1530 from noon to one.

Dave Lapham, obviously Bengals radio analyst.

We talked for a good, almost 20 minutes.

So I wanted to play that interview for you just so you could hear his insight, because

it's great stuff as always.

I'm not going to lie and say it's strictly for this podcast, but I wanted

all of my locked on listeners to hear it. So here's my interview that took place Thursday afternoon

with Dave Lapham on McCarran, on that potential trade, on Jacksonville, this week, and so

much more. Here's my one-on-one interview with Dave Lapham.

What have you heard? I'm hearing all of these different things, but the trade deadline deal

that wasn't, what exactly happened with A.J. McCarran and him almost going to Cleveland?

Well, you know, my understanding is that the Bengals, the Bengals didn't call Cleveland Cleveland called

the Bengals Cleveland's the ones that initiated the interest so I guess the bottom

line is if you were interested in you initiate the trade talks and you don't

even pick up a phone to call the league before the deadline.

You had turmoil going on within the organization.

If I'm Jim Hasselow and the owner of the Cleveland Browns, I know that what I have in

place right now isn't working because obviously Hugh Jackson wanted the deal to get

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