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Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Living the Questions (Without Fixing Yourself) with Suleika Jaouad

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Kate Bowler

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.8 • 5.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

There’s a particular kind of pressure that creeps in when we start measuring our lives—where we thought we’d be by now, who we imagined we’d become, how things were supposed to feel. The instinct is to fix it. Optimize it. Get moving. But what if the invitation is something else? Kate Bowler sits down with writer and speaker Suleika Jaouad (Between Two Kingdoms, The Book of Alchemy) for a conversation about living inside unresolved questions—especially the ones that ache. Together, they talk about ambition and exhaustion, chronic illness and uncertainty, and the quiet shifts that happen when nothing seems to change. They explore the tension between momentum and meaning, the limits of self-improvement, and what it looks like to keep going without pretending everything is fixable. SHOW NOTES Suleika Jaouad’s Isolation Journals (Substack) Between Two Kingdoms — Suleika Jaouad The Book of Alchemy — Suleika Jaouad Tour dates & tickets: katebowler.com/joyfulanyway Watch the live conversation on YouTube Join Kate Bowler on Substack for the season of Lent: katebowler.substack.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0

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1:04.4

Hey, it's me, Steve Burns, and I'm so glad you're here because you and I go way back, right?

1:10.1

Yeah. And look at us now. Like we're all grown up. We've got this new podcast where we talk about all this grown up stuff and there's special guests like Jamie Lee Curtis and Bill Nye. But for the most part, it's about you. I mean, it's always been about you.

1:25.6

From Lemonada Media, alive with Steve Burns is coming September 17th wherever you get your podcasts,

1:30.8

or you can watch every episode on YouTube.

1:35.1

Hello, everyone. It's Kate.

1:37.1

I've got a quick announcement before you go fold laundry and answer more emails or forget where you put your keys again.

1:43.3

My new book, Joyful Anyway,

1:46.2

comes out April 7, 26. I think this might be my favorite book I've ever written. It's about the

1:52.8

kind of joy that shows up. It shows up when life might feel like a never-ending loop of doctor's

1:59.1

appointments or logistical chaos or just whatever emotional plot twist arrived this morning. So if you've ever thought, is joy still possible? I wrote this for you. And pre-orders make a huge difference. So thank you. I am so grateful for your support.

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