Hello and welcome to the Story Grid podcast.

This is a show dedicated to helping you become a better writer.

I'm your host Tim Graal and I am a struggling writer trying to figure out how to tell a story that works.

Joining me shortly is Sean Coyne.

He is a creator of Story Grid, the author of the book Story Grid and an editor with over 25 years experience. In this episode,

we're doing something a little bit different. So Sean and I took a week off from recording

because of the Thanksgiving holidays here in the States. And so we decided to do something

special. A few months ago, we spoke at a live event at Jeff Goines' tribe conference. It was the first time

Sean and I had done anything live together. And so it was a lot of fun. And we recorded it. And

Jeff was so kind enough to give us the recording so we could share it here with you. So what you're

about to hear is a live recording of Sean and I as we discuss Turning Pro,

what it's meant to do the podcast, and several other things.

So I think you really enjoy it.

So I'm going to just stop talking and let it roll.

Please welcome to the stage, Tim Grawl and Sean Coyne.

Thank you. Sean Coyne.

Good morning. So as Sean and I have been talking about this morning and what we're going to talk about, you know, we have all these different things. We've been spending at least an hour a week talking for a year now and getting to know each other and going through this process. And what I didn't realize when I entered into this podcast with Sean is we were entering into this year-long discussion of not just how to write fiction and how to tell great stories, but what does it mean to become a professional at something?

And when do you cross that threshold from amateur to professional?

And what does it take to build mastery in something?

And so over the last year, as we've been working together and discussing all these things,

there's been some really neat moments, but mostly it's been painful.

Because...

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