Hi, Saints. How are you? Greetings. It's a lot of you here. It makes us feel a bit uncomfortable because we just

be talking. We don't know people be listening to this thing. We might be more careful with our words if

we do that. I have to read this little professional thing. Welcome to Let's Talk, a podcast for women from the

gospel coalition podcast network coming to you live from TGC W22 in India. Go here. In Indianapolis, Indiana. I am Jackie

Hill Perry and I am here with my friends Jasmine Holmes and Melissa Kruger to talk to you about how to grow and

gratitude. Great conversation. All right. There's no other intro other than a question. So when is a time in your

life when you struggled to be grateful? No, let me scratch that. What is gratefulness? I think we need to

understand that before we can know how to struggle with it. I feel like if the story is like thank thank

Holdens. Go ahead. Yeah, an attitude of I think there's a there's a humility to it of understanding what we've been

given and being thankful for it and being content with it. That's really good. It's that we've received

something. So you have to be grateful towards someone so that you have something maybe you didn't deserve. So

there's a gratefulness or yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good. I can tell of a time I struggled to be

grateful. When we were pretty newly married, we moved overseas to Edinburgh, Scotland and I know it's so

hard to say this because everybody's like, you lived in Europe. And that is actually part of what made

it hard. I was really struggling when we were moving because for me, it wasn't like I was going

for a vacation. And this was before, I mean, just to put in context, email, I was still doing AOL

downloads to do email. Okay, it was that long ago. So there was no Facebook, there was no Instagram,

there's no way to keep up with your friends. It was really, really cumbersome. And so we moved over

there. And you know, I know everyone goes to places like Scotland in the summer when the sun stays

out to 11. Well, 11 PM, what that means is in like February, the sun sets at 3 PM and it rains

every day and it is deeply, deeply depressing. Okay, so so we were there. We moved there. I moved

there for my husband's PhD. And I can remember sitting in our little apartment, y'all, our apartment

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