Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joel Waldman.

What's up, STS Nation, and welcome, welcome back.

It's deja vu all over again.

I saw all of you about 35 seconds ago, and we are back.

It is surviving, the survivor, the podcast that not only promises to bring

you the very best guests in true crime, but it does so day in and day out thanks to the

hard-working people at STS, none the least of whom is Steve Cohen, not to be

confused with Darrell Cohen.

Steve Cohen is our booking producer and he's doing great work today when we need him most because it is an insane crazy day as they say

I'm gonna bring this up if I may this is the now infamous ceiling fan and we are looking at the Norfolk County

courthouse space coast I don't even know if this is the proper way for us to be doing this. I think we should be taking this full screen and us. I'm going to remove this so you could do it your way. But let me introduce the guests and I'm all screwy here because we've been going all day long but all you need to know about the man on the bottom left of your screen is his name is Richard Gabriel and he is literally the pre-eminent jury consultant in the

United States of America this guy Richard what is the official name of your firm?

Decision analysis. Decision analysis because I don't have the bio in front of me and Richard

thank you for being here. I know you were doing an other podcast as well.

Please tell us what that is.

A rising tide lifts all ships.

We want to promote what you're doing.

Thank you. Thank you, Joel.

I'm actually doing a new podcast now called anatomy of an argument in which we are discussing the nature of the work that I do, which has to do with the psychology of trials.

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