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Deconversion Therapy Podcast.com and we'll post it on all our social media. Hi, guys.

It's Bonnie.

I'm in charge of the introductions this week.

Karen's put me in charge of something.

So welcome.

Hello. This is DeConversion Therapy, the podcast. Not to be confused with the other places that you find us like Instagram. And now, thanks to Karen and her video skills,

the TikTok.

Yep, tiki-tok. The article the in front.

Do you know that when you send text messages, it actually does TikTok but adds in the C's and

like capitalizes the T's and puts it together?

It's very odd, very odd.

Really? Yeah. Okay, well, every time you would send me something on TikTok to look at on a text

message, I would click the link and I don't have the app on my phone because I can't remember

what my password is and I'm usually not home to look in my password book.

So it plays yours, ha, ha, ha, and then it goes on to a next one,

and the next one is always the same.

It's some guy having some gray thing pulled out of his ear with tweezers,

and he's screaming.

What?

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