We've seen studies of baby chimps and if they're not held when they're young, they will die.

And that's a pretty interesting thing to think about.

Being held and being touched by another chimp or by a human helped them thrive, you know.

And I feel like we lose sight of that as adults. Women in our culture is much more acceptable

for us to touch and chat and hold hands and connectively and on each other and hug and with

guys, especially older guys, it's not so much the thing, you know. I feel like the younger generations

have started to figure out, you know, co-ed touching is just fine and it's pretty a normal thing.

But especially the older people right now, older single guys, I am in so much,

hmm, I feel so much for right there.

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Rebecca, welcome to the unmistakable creative. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

Hi Srinny, it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, it is my pleasure to have you here. So as I was saying before we hit record here,

there was one line in your pitch that was kind of the thing that made me immediately say, yes,

when I read the word, I phrase, I'm a cortisone, I was like, holy shit, I need to know more.

But before we get into all of that, as you know, from being a listener,

I like to start with weird questions that have nothing to do with your work.

So I want to start asking what I think is actually kind of a fitting question given your story.

And that is what social group we are part of in high school and what impact did that end up

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