everyone thinks that if they achieved this certain status or money or fame or a TV show or a big

podcast or a great album or a film like I did or whatever that that will heal and absolve these wounds and create like a certain solve to

To minimize that shame or lack of self-worth and I I think that's like a there's a healthy aspect of that that forces one to become a creator or

Creating in some level but I realized and why partly why satirized fame in the film was I had to like take the piss out of it all.

Like I had to look at that which I thought would heal me in a way creatively or notoriety wise. And because I knew that wasn't going to do it even though I was

craving it because of this wound so I had to get really honest with it and satirize

it because I know that deep down that's as big of a mirage as anything.

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