Personality, in my opinion, is the byproduct of identity.

Identity is how you describe yourself. It's how you see yourself. It's how you explain

yourself. The fact that you just said that that was your goal, and I don't know if that

truly is your goal, but if it is, the fact that you were open and honest about it, in my opinion,

would be very good for your identity, if that's what you're actually going for.

Because now you're sharing with us who your future self is, and so that would have an impact

at the identity level. Identity is, again, how you see yourself. It's based on stories.

It's based on how you describe yourself. So if I were to say to you, I'm an introvert.

That would actually be more of a statement of my identity than my personality.

Because I'm describing how I see myself. Now that may impact my behavior, which may then be

reflected as my personality. So your identity shapes your behavior and your behavior consistently

over time is your personality. Dude, like I said, this is a really deep rabbit hole.

It is, dude. It's a great rabbit hole, though, right?

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Ben, welcome to the unmistakable creative. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

Of course. I'm very honored to be on your show. I'm a big fan of you and of this show.

Yeah, thanks. Well, you and I go way back. I think we're both early, early writers on medium,

and it's kind of funny because I don't think we'd ever met until a few years ago in person,

and you have done, you know, what is truly your remarkable job leveraging a platform,

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