Hi, listeners.

For years, I've talked to people about life-changing events they've faced, and I had no idea

that one day I'd be talking about my own near-death experience.

After sharing my experience with listeners this past spring, my friend

Sabrina Mirage Naim interviewed me recently for her podcast, A Fine Mess. As we head into the holiday

season, a time that can be both joyful and overwhelming, it was incredible to reflect on all the

changes and roller coasters of the past year and how we move forward. I'm excited to share

the interview with you today about what's happened since February. A Fine Mess brings on expert

guests to talk about the most thought-provoking topics of our time and focuses on replacing

assumptions with understanding. The show was named a must listen by The Guardian and Apple Podcasts, and for good

reason. A fine mess helps listeners learn how to better approach difficult conversations in a

beautifully sound-rich way. In the episode you're about to hear, Sabrina and I discuss the

importance of listening to another person's own story with an open mind and how we can work to achieve this ourselves.

We also touch on what it's been like for me to listen to people's deeply personal,

life-changing stories over the years, and how my own near-death experience was eased by the stories

from others. It's a great conversation you won't want to miss. Make sure to follow a fine mess

on your favorite podcast app to hear

even more. Without further ado, here is a fine mess. This is a fine mess, a show from Evoke Media

where we confront the issues we're facing right now with curiosity instead of dread. I'm your host Sabrina Mirage

Naim. When I set out to make this show, I wanted to do something big. My goal was to address all

these things, these topics, these conversations that make us uncomfortable and lead to divides.

I know that for me personally, the more I learn about something, the less scary it is, and the more comfortable I feel. I try to be well read

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