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Lisa Cook and the fight for the Fed

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4.629.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

The Federal Reserve has been under intense pressure from President Donald Trump as he pushes for more control over the historically independent agency. The Fed is tasked with keeping inflation and unemployment under control, and it’s supposed to be insulated from politics so it can do whatever is necessary for the economy. But Trump has been openly saying he wants interest rates to be lower. A lot lower.

And on Monday, Trump posted a bombshell. He said that he was removing Federal Reserve governor Lisa Cook, “for cause.” Lisa Cook has told NPR she intends to remain in office, and is now suing Trump. 

On today’s show: inside the Fed Board of Governors. How realistic is a plan to control monetary policy through loyalists on the Board? We hear from former Board governors to understand what the job is, and what we might be in for. 

Further listening on the Fed and Fed independence:

- A primer on the Federal Reserve's independence
- Happy Fed Independence Day
- The case for Fed independence in the Nixon tapes
- A Locked Door, A Secret Meeting And The Birth Of The Fed
- Trump's unprecedented attack on the Fed
- Turkey's runaway inflation problem 
- Should presidents have more of a say in interest rates?

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0:00.0

This is Planet Money from NPR.

0:06.3

On Monday evening, Brendan Greeley is in his home office in Maryland, finishing up a book he's been working on forever.

0:13.8

I was sitting right here. I was sitting in this chair. This dog was sitting next to me.

0:18.4

I was editing a document that is still open about the creation of

0:22.8

Euro dollars. Brendan is getting his PhD at Princeton, and he has been studying the long,

0:28.9

long arc of financial history. His almost finished book is a 500-year history of the dollar.

0:35.2

But for 20 years, he was a journalist, a Fed watcher. He's covered

0:40.8

the Federal Reserve, the nation's central bank. So on Monday, he's working away. And you opened

0:46.0

blue sky to procrastinate. Yes, that's exactly what I did. I opened blue sky to procrastinate.

0:52.0

And that's when you saw it. And that's when I saw that Donald Trump had declared that he had fired Lisa Cook.

1:01.0

Dr. Lisa Cook is an economist.

1:03.1

She was appointed by President Biden to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

1:07.0

She is the first and only black woman to hold this post.

1:10.1

And what Brendan is seeing on blue sky is that President Trump has just said he's firing her.

1:16.7

A president has never fired a member of the Fed Board of Governors before in history.

1:22.1

To do that legally, a president needs cause.

1:25.0

Basically, the person has to have done something wrong.

1:28.1

The president claims that Lisa Cook may have made false statements to get a better deal on her mortgages.

1:34.1

He says that's cause to fire her. Brendan told us the alleged wrongdoing is pretty small

1:39.9

potatoes. These are allegations on the level of, uh, did you lie about the size of your home office

1:46.0

in your tax returns? Not typically something that we root out and prosecute. In response,

1:52.5

Lisa Cook has filed a lawsuit and a judge held a hearing to consider her request to stay in her

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