Hey, y'all. I just had the unbelievable privilege of talking to Andre Hernandez-Ramero, the

makeup artist and hairdresser that was let out finally from the El Salvador prison hell after we kidnapped

him and sent him there for no reason. And we talked to. He was at his home in Venezuela. It was

really moving. And I had the opportunity to write about it this morning in morning shots. If you don't get the Bullock morning newsletter, you should be getting that because Bill Crystal's doing gems in there every day. You can go to the Bullwark.com to sign up. And you can also watch on YouTube with subtitles. When we did the interview, we had a translator who's kind of paraphrasing. And so we were able to communicate and talk.

And like I said, it was really moving.

But it doesn't really work for an audio podcast.

I'd wanted to put it on the end of the show.

But the translation issues make it hard to do without subtitles.

So please go watch it.

His bravery, his grace, his forbearance, it's just, it's like unbelievable.

The idea that this guy gets out of this hell and is not filled with rage and anger like

you would expect.

Instead, he was joyful and thanking God and telling us that we should have empathy for Trump

and the people that did this.

It's just truly, he's remarkable.

So anyway, check that out.

You can take a look at my newsletter on this topic this morning.

And up next run to get into some politics with my old friend Liz Smith.

So stick around for that.

Hello, welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

I am so happy to welcome back a Democratic strategist, author of the book Any Given Tuesday, a political love story. She was senior communications advisor for Pete Buttigieg in 2020. She was my foil in the 2012 presidential campaign. And she now is consulting for a wide array of Democraticand-comers. It's Liz Smith. What's up,

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