Hey there beautiful people, welcome to fan time. This is take two. I'm gonna let y'all know this is take two because Jared was a record in the first go around, okay?

But is this not a safe space?

I am entertaining journalist Trinville and just said that's Jared. He'll okay. Oh wait, you had your intro go.

Let's start a third time. How about that? But like actually, new producer Lorraine, let's keep all of this in because I'm having a good time with it.

I'm breaking a not disclosure agreement by telling you that I'm Yaya Abdul-Mateen's favorite ex-boyfriend that he may or may not still hook up with but neither one of us once more, Jared Hill.

Coming up on the show today, we've got a lot to talk about. We've got a little Anaz and an ex with a brand new album called Montero. We've got feedback from Y'all, we've got clips, we've got Black History, but first a writer over at extra magazine has something for us to talk about in past the popcorn.

They recently published a new piece with a headline in defense of the meaty tuck. The article centers on quote an offhand comment at a party that inspired the writer to quote interrogate how we police trans bodies.

The writer is Trevelle Anderson, an exclusive piece of tea not included in the article. The commenter, it me. We've got the link to the story in the show notes, but we wanted to go inside the article and give a little bit of extra context to the piece discussing it central theme and then encourage you to go read it.

At Travelle's 30th birthday party, they came onto the rooftop and off the elevator in a slinky dress sunglasses hair to heaven and the requisite band. A little while later, I noticed that my sister in situation was starting to sit in a situational situation. If you know what I mean, I told you over to the side, I was saying that I could see your penis sticking out.

Your situation, I pulled you over to the side and whispered something into your ear to the effect of honey, the girls coming out to play and you played me there at the party in front of everyone and said everybody here knows I got a penis and thus this article was born.

Let me retract, okay, just in case they didn't understand this little intro you just put together. I wrote a piece in extra magazine called in defense of the meaty talk about Jared. I didn't say his name, but he outed himself about Jared being a good friend and pulling me to the side and noting that my half hazard talk had untucked it.

And so the piece is a jumping off point from that event talking about why trans people trans women and films to be more specific are expected to not have bulges in public.

It was just something that kept playing over and over in my head for the week or so since the party when I first started writing the piece and I was like, oh, I think this is super interesting.

But also, why do we as trans women and films, we literally be having to like fold ourselves into ways that other people deemed to be beautiful, deemed to be appropriate and whatnot.

The piece was actually an opportunity for me to have this really great conversation with this professor and researcher at Arizona State University, Loretta Lamaster about the history of the policing of bodies and basically being able to connect the ways in which we police trans women and films bodies as it relates to our tucks connect that to the history and dehumanization of other black bodies in particular black women's bodies in the context of Sarah Bartman aka hot and hot.

Venus I'm in connecting those two histories so that hopefully my aim with the piece is that we all will begin thinking differently about the types of bodies that show up in the world and how they are supposed to do so.

So that was the the thought, the idea, the intention behind the piece, it wasn't it wasn't meant to put you on blast.

And to be clear, I didn't put you on blast. You put yourself on blast. How you do it? Guilt will do that to you, won't it?

Oh, absolutely. I felt very attacked. No, I didn't. But I'm curious like after the party, what was the conversation that you were having kind of within yourself about it that prompted you to end up writing the piece?

I mean, I think I've long had conversation with myself about tucking in particular and I say this in the piece that like there are very few if any legitimately gender neutral or non binary clothing lines, right?

They might say they're gender neutral, but they're still using the sizing conventions as it relates to men or as it relates to women or you know, they still have their stores sometimes in men's sections, women's sections, etc.

And so I've long had conversation with myself about what truly gender neutral clothing looks like, what type of support it provides for the girls, how it lays on the body, keeping in mind that like, quote unquote, women's clothing, they're made for people who don't have penises, even though some women have penises.

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