The So I had the opportunity today to speak with Spencer Clavin. I met Spencer,

partly through my connections with the Daily Wire, but also more specifically, we filmed a documentary

together for the Foundations of the West series that's now available on the Daily Wire. You could take a look at it there. There's a series of

dinner meetings that go along with that as well that expand out the ideas that we

analyze. The more proximal reason for speaking with Spencer today was that he has a new book coming

out called Light of the Mind, Light of the World, which is available in mid-October 2024,

just a couple of weeks after this episode in particular was taped and we

walked through his book which is an analysis of the what would you say of the

development of the ideas of the scientific revolution and an

examination of their relationship to the religious ideas that still surround them and that constitute their metaphysical basis, but also an analysis of the dynamic relationship between those systems of ideas, religion versus science, let's say, as those ideas progressed through time since the dawn of the scientific revolution,

for me during the conversation time flew by very rapidly and Spencer said he had the same experience so we're hoping that that

spirit of timelessness that encompasses you when you are investigating honestly things that you believe to be true will also surround you as you watch this discussion.

So welcome to that.

So Spencer, the last time we had any real opportunity to speak together was in Athens.

Right, right?

In front of the Acropolis, which now we've got the Arizona Mountains in the background,

but it's a bit of a change.

Yeah, yeah, well it was a good deal to meet in Athens and that was part for everybody watching and listening.

That was part of the foundations of the West documentary series, which has been recently released on the Daily Wire Plus platform and so I did a series of

documentaries two in Jerusalem one with Ben Shapiro and one with Jonathan Pasjo, one in Rome with Bishop Baron and one in Athens with Spencer Clavin.

And so that was fun.

So what's been the consequence for you or for the daily wire as far as you know of

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