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Hey everyone, it's Adam Cran.

Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast on the Science of What Makes Us Tink.

I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating

people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

Today, my guest is Saul Promutter.

He's the Nobel Prize-winning astrophysicist, best known for his discovery that the universe

is expanding at an accelerating rate.

Saul serves at the White House on the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.

He teaches classes at Berkeley on physics and music, because he plays the violin, and

on sense, sensibility, and science.

I can't imagine a better role model for all of us to sharpen our creative and critical

thinking skills.

Well I am thrilled to have you here, especially as a once upon a time wannabe physicist.

What was it that hooked you in physics of all the things you could have studied?

I think I'm just one of the kids who just always wanted to know how the world worked.

In fact, if anything, I think I'm more curious about why everybody didn't get hooked.

I think as a child, I thought, well here we are on this Earth, and it's our toy, and

nobody gave us the owner's manual, and doesn't everybody need to know the owner's manual?

And I guess as you get older, you start to realize that, well, somehow people all manage

that we all worked day to day without the owner's manual.

But in my mind, I think still there's that sense that everybody should want to know this

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