Hey everybody this is Kai I want to share a little bonus conversation with you in advance of next week's show

This is a segment from our colleagues at the Brian Lehrer show from about a week ago. It's Brian talking with historian Timothy Snyder about

consequences. President Biden was just inaugurated yesterday and we're all very

eager to turn the page into a new era for sure, but there are also enormous

questions about whether anyone is going to face consequences for what has happened,

for the assault on our democracy among many other things.

We are very interested in those questions on this show

and we will continue asking them

and that's what this conversation is about.

Timothy Snyder is the author of a money And that's what this conversation is about.

Timothy Snyder is the author of a much discussed book called On Tyranny and a scholar of fascism

generally.

He wrote an essay in the New York Times magazine about, among other things, the Enablers in the New York Times magazine about among other things the enablers in the Republican Party.

And his conversation with Brian is really just a great follow-up to several of our

episodes from during the election and the history that we have talked through there.

Brian starts by asking Timothy about a point he makes in his Times essay when he says that

what conspiracy theories often do is they recast the predators and the villains as the victims and the victims as the villains.

So that's where this starts, check it out.

Can we start with that last idea first that conspiracy theories turn victims

into purps and purps into victims and how it applies in this case?

Yeah, I mean, we're in the sense of a moment in American history

where sometimes it can help to look abroad or to look a little bit back in time and remember that the kind of lie that we're being told,

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