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The Tikvah Podcast

Liel Leibovitz on What the Protests in Israel Mean

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6 • 620 Ratings

🗓️ 6 September 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

For a while after October 7, the war produced an atmosphere of national solidarity in Israel, quieting some of the tensions that had divided Israelis from one another with a special intensity throughout the previous year. That quiet now seems to be ending.

There was always bound to be a tension between two of the Israeli government’s primary war aims: that of rescuing the hostages, and that of defeating Hamas until total victory. The government insists that it is pursuing both of these aims, but many Israelis don’t believe it. Many of them are persuaded that Prime Minister Netanyahu is prolonging the war and foregoing opportunities to secure the hostages’ freedom because the war keeps his political coalition together and that keeps him in power. Tens of thousands of Israelis, mapping more or less onto the tens of thousands of judicial-reform opponents seen last year, are now in the streets protesting.

Then when, last weekend, the bodies of six more murdered hostages were retrieved from Rafah, the anger overflowed its bounds and spilled out onto the streets. In the protestors’ view, it was Netanyahu who could have prevented these horrible deaths. Netanyahu could have gone along with Hamas’s cease-fire terms. Netanyahu could have patriotically apologized and resigned.

Liel Leibovitz, the editor-at-large of Tablet, thinks otherwise. Host Jonathan Silver speaks this week with Leibovitz about a recent essay analyzing the roots and effects of the protests themselves, "'Bring them Home’ Is Bringing Us to the Brink.” In it, Leibovitz looks at the protesters’ motivations, at a style of politics he thinks has been imported from America, and deeper questions raised by the Israelis marching against their government. In their conversation, Silver and Leibovitz try to peer a little more deeply into the ongoing drama of modern Zionism and the meaning of modern Israel.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The last 11 months, needless to say, have been among the most tense and consequential months of modern Jewish history.

0:14.0

After the October 7th attacks, Israelis mobilized, instantly, in the most impressive ways imaginable. The filaments and fibers that connect

0:22.6

Israeli society were pulled, taut, and the country snapped into form. Soldiers reported for duty

0:28.6

in numbers that exceeded all expectations and overwhelmed all military supplies. Neighbors stepped

0:34.4

into the vacuum of child care and family life created by military mobilization at scale.

0:40.0

For a while, the wounds and pain of October 7th produced an atmosphere of national solidarity,

0:46.9

quieting some of the tensions that had divided Israelis from one another

0:51.1

with a special intensity throughout the year preceding October 7th.

0:55.9

That year preceding the Hamas attacks was a year of civic strife and national crisis.

1:02.3

The nominal cause of it all was the proposed judicial reform that would have, had it been enacted,

1:09.3

channeled power from Israel's judiciary toward its legislature.

1:13.9

But the judicial reform became a kind of totem and symbol.

1:17.9

A great many Israelis took to the streets.

1:20.7

There were strikes.

1:21.8

There were civic disturbances.

1:23.5

The country seemed to be coming apart over a very deep tribal conflict of visions, over the very

1:29.6

conditions and terms of the social contract. Then came the war, and its horrors, and the previous

1:36.5

years' worth of acrimony temporarily retreated underground. The defiantly trafe gourmet restaurants

1:43.6

of Tel Aviv

1:44.4

koshered their kitchens in order to prepare food for the soldiers of the IDF. But political

1:50.1

disagreements are the corollary of political freedom, and it was only time before the

1:55.1

deep disagreements in Israeli society returned. They have returned, and they've done so not around the judicial reform,

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