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Planet Money

LIBOR pains

Planet Money

NPR

Business, News

4.6 β€’ 29.8K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 9 October 2021

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

For decades, banks used one rate to help set all other rates: LIBOR. After it came out that it'd been rigged, regulators said: no more. Now it's a race β€” and a road trip β€” to find an alternative. | Subscribe to our weekly newsletter here.

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0:00.0

This is Planet Money from NPR.

0:05.0

One day in 2011, Dr. Richard Sandor, economist, professor, people call him Doc.

0:12.0

Doc was in Chicago, reading his newspaper, the financial times, and drinking his coffee,

0:17.0

when his phone rang.

0:18.0

And I got a phone call and somebody said, did you hear about it?

0:24.0

Royal Bank of Scotland, they just fired for people, and I said, no, that's a game changer.

0:34.0

The somebody who called was a guy at one of the big investment banks.

0:38.0

The gossip was that Royal Bank of Scotland appeared to be firing for traders in attempt to head off a scandal.

0:46.0

Now, when a bank does that to get ahead of the regulator, you know it's massively corrupt, right?

0:53.0

The thing that was corrupt was this thing called libor.

0:58.0

It's an acronym, it stands for the London Interbank Offered Rate.

1:02.0

Libor is this magic number that helps banks figure out how much to charge to lend money out.

1:09.0

It's been called the world's most important number.

1:12.0

And it's set by a bunch of bankers asking each other, hey mates, oi brav.

1:18.0

You know, oi brav. What should the number be today?

1:23.0

So when Doc gets that phone call, he knew it wasn't going to just be a few people at one bank.

1:30.0

And obviously if there's one, there's got to be two, it's an economist that takes two to collude, and if there's two, there's four, right?

1:39.0

So...

1:40.0

What did you know in that moment?

1:42.0

That libor was dead, okay? Once they fire four people, they don't eat their own unless there's some compelling reason to do it.

1:54.0

So Doc thinks libor is doomed.

1:59.0

It was kind of unthinkable.

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