This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Monday, December 19th, 2016.

I'm Caleb Brown.

If excessive government is the bad guy for most libertarians,

is a government that suddenly respects all rights of all people all the time

sufficient to create a world we all want?

Anthony comegna of Libertarianism.org and economist Steve Horwitz of St. Lawrence

University sat down with me recently to discuss what happens when

libertarians fall victim to so-called unicorn governance.

When I listen to libertarians talk about policies that they want to adopt that will help the poor and ideas for

dealing with persistent seemingly intractable problems. There is a policy response, and then the idea is,

once we have achieved that policy response,

we clean our hands, we walk away, and that's it. We're done and now a thousand flowers

will bloom. And that seems to be problematic for a number of reasons, but how do you view that idea that there are specific

like changes that need to take place and once those changes properly respect people's rights,

once these people are not improperly incentivized by the government, the job is done.

Well, I think there's a couple kinds of things you can say about that.

Certainly, one is that libertarians have to be very careful not to fall victim to the same sort of fantasy that Mike Munger calls unicorn governance right to just

imagine even if it's us developing these policies that they're automatically

going to play out and that we get a thousand flowers rather than a thousand weeds or a mix thereof.

So I think that's one part of that.

I also think though too, you know libertarians have been hesitant in the past to talk about

issues of culture and so on and so when we you know just just

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