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Hello and welcome to episode 31 of Libero,

the podcast about the most important, of the least important things.

I think Pierre Paolo Pasolini once said. Look him up. And I'm joined today by Rory Smith,

a man in a blazer and the observer. I hope that's the right order. Rory, is that okay?

It's a flat hierarchy.

A flat hierarchy, okay.

And Miguel Delaney of the Independent.

I'm John Bruin of the not particularly expanding John Bruin universe, maybe on the waistline.

But, and here we are to discuss.

Well, actually, let us start with by saying we're in the aftermath of Jonathan Wilson's wedding. And what a wedding, a wonderful time had by all. Congratulations again. Jonathan and Nicola. A fine

spread was put on by them. And a reminder, of course, to Miguel that Northerners do it better.

And that's the truth. And even Miguel got into the spirit.

And on with the show, because we'll start with Miguel.

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