“Liberalism in 2025”: STAN GRANT

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Josh Szeps

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🗓️ 10 December 2024

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

As Syria transforms, as Trump returns, as Putin prepares for victory, as China lies in wait, and as we all look towards a new year, Josh sits down with one of the smartest analysts of liberal democracy.

Stan Grant was CNN's Senior International Correspondent based in Abu Dhabi, Hong Kong and Beijing, before returning to Australia as International Affairs Analyst for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

He is arguably Australia's most experienced global journalist and the most famous Indigenous Australian. He resigned from the national public broadcaster last year in a national firestorm about racism.

He and Josh discuss the future of the global order, whether Enlightenment values are up to the task, and the role of public broadcasters like the ABC.

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0:00.0	Gahey, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas and who boy. A lot to think about.
0:08.6	Syria is front of mind, what exactly will happen, the entire Middle East being reshaped, and questions as we look towards 2025 about exactly what that year will bring, what the second Trump term will deliver us and the future
0:22.6	of democracy and liberalism, not just across Middle East, but the entire globe. I had intended to
0:28.3	bank this conversation and release it around New Year's as a kind of amusing on what liberalism
0:35.4	might mean in 2025. Keep an eye on the podcast feed throughout the
0:39.4	holiday season, even if you're on a break over Christmas and the new year, subscribe to the
0:43.6	substack. There'll be substack live streams with interesting guests and so on, as I basically
0:47.7	just want to wrestle with this moment that we find ourselves in and take a moment. I thought
0:52.9	to step back from the news of the day and take
0:54.8	a bigger picture look at the next four years and the coming year. But sometimes the news of the day
0:59.5	actually is the news of the next year and next four years, as it seems to be this week. So I have
1:05.2	pulled the plug on one of those slots that I had lined up for the new year and we're releasing
1:10.1	it to you now. Because Stan Grant is one of the people that I had lined up for the new year and we're releasing it to you now.
1:11.6	Because Stan Grant is one of the people who I would most like to wrestle with a big question
1:16.6	like this with.
1:18.2	What does Syria mean for the Middle East?
1:20.7	What does the flailing failings of Western liberal democracies, both in the case of Ukraine,
1:28.4	in the case of the Middle East, in the case of our relationship to Israel and Gaza, and in the case of our own democracies
1:33.5	ourselves, portend for our own fate. Stan Grant is a household name in Australia. If you're
1:39.5	listening in Australia, of course you know who he is. He's probably the most famous indigenous
1:43.2	Australian and probably the most experienced global international journalist that Australia has ever produced. He was the senior international correspondent for CNN for many years. He was based in Abu Dhabi. He was based in Hong Kong. He was based in Beijing. You could turn on CNN anywhere you were in the world across the Asia Pacific, and you
2:02.5	could see him as a newsreader, commentator, anchor, announcer and correspondent.
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