This is the Homefront Live. And today I am joined by Mike Brock. And Mike is the author of Notes from the Circus here on Substack. I hope you all will go over there and subscribe to him. He is coming to us from the City of Angels today, Los Angeles. Mike, welcome. Thank you for having me, Reed. You have dulcet tones there, Mike. So you are great on the microphone. So the reason why I asked you to join me today was that you said that you were looking for, quote, a ravenous Democrat. And I looked this up and it says the core idea of revanchism centers on the idea of recovering territory that a nation or group has lost, usually through military defeat or political maneuvering. So tell us what that means. Well, I mean, do you think that you live in a liberal order anymore? Is that, I mean, I don't. I don't believe we live in a liberal, neoliberal or neo-conservative. Well, I mean, the order. Well, I mean, look, I mean, is that... I don't. I don't believe we live in a liberal, neoliberal or a neoconservative.

Well, I mean, look, I mean, yeah, I mean, I believe this, this country was founded on...

Within a liberal conception of political values, classical liberal values.

And I think we have come to a point in history where we're having, people are having

conversant.

I mean, our vice president was here in California and Southern California at southern california at a at a maybe something we should

we should talk about the claremont institute talking about a post-liberal um order um look i i i'm i'm a liberal

i'm a liberal i'm a liberal i think that liberal values are what built this country. I think I still believe in them.

I defend them.

I believe that there's a lot to be critiqued in liberal politics.

I think we have, we've reached a point where we have to really think about the contours of power in our society.

And these are conversations that liberals have to have, like, internally.

But I'm not ready to give up on this idea of liberalism.

And so, yes, I think we need to, through political maneuvering, hopefully, and not into the first part of that definition. I mean, I think it's, I think it's in the cards, though. I mean, like, over the next 10 to 15 years in the Western world, that this could become more of a kinetic confrontation. I'm not saying, I think that that's, like, likely to happen. But but you know you you look at the contours of

how things are progressing today and and yeah we've we've lived through a collapse of liberal order

and i'd like to recapture it and if and i i i think we need a ravencious liberalism and a

aggressive muscular liberalism um that stands up for its values that that that uh that is on the front

foot against its ideological enemies um and and can and can paint a picture of a positive vision

um for the future that that brings people back uh to the liberal tent that's what i mean by uh the need for

a liberal revanchist faction um that that was that was what i was aiming towards sir and let me go back

for just a second um to something you said about j d vance being out at the clermont institute so

guys if if we were in 1920s, Germany, the Claremont Institute would be in Bavaria, right? It would be somewhere nestled like near Biroid or someplace on the Austrian border, right? It is, it is and has been for many years the, the, I would

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