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More or Less: Behind the Stats

Lib Dem ambulance claims, affordable rent and goat meat

More or Less: Behind the Stats

BBC

Business, Mathematics, Science, News Commentary, News

4.63.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 June 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The Liberal Democrats say 120 people a day in England died last year whilst waiting for an ambulance. We investigate whether the claim stands up to scrutiny. Also Rishi Sunak's pandemic-era scheme Eat Out To Help Out is back in the spotlight. How much did it really contribute to a second wave of infections? We look at a claim that no single woman in England on an average salary can afford to rent a home of her own. And Jonathan Agnew said on Test Match Special that goat is the most eaten meat in the world. Is he right? Presenter: Tim Harford Series Producer: Jon Bithrey Reporters: Jo Casserly, Nathan Gower Editor: Richard Vadon Sound Engineer: James Beard Production Co-ordinator: Brenda Brown (Woman looking for a flat to rent. Credit: Oscar Wong/Getty images)

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0:00.0

Fibisi Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts

0:06.2

Hello and welcome to more or less, sounding the claxon of statistical truth in the face of a barrage of misinformation.

0:14.1

This week, how many people are dying as they wait for delayed ambulances,

0:19.3

maybe not as many as the Liberal Democrats imply?

0:22.9

We're told that the COVID inquiry will be scrutinising the ET out to help out program,

0:27.6

so we'll ask whether there's any evidence that subsidising people to gather together in pubs and restaurants

0:33.6

helped spark a new wave of infections in 2020, and it is a truth universally acknowledged

0:40.2

that a single woman cannot afford to rent a flat, but does the evidence support that belief?

0:46.4

Also, who will tell us the truth about goats, Jonathan Agnew or Phil Tuffnell?

0:54.0

But first, last series we couldn't take our eyes off the NHS, which was struggling on several fronts.

1:01.2

We took a close look at ambulance response times.

1:04.3

Ambulance services had been consistently missing their response targets for years,

1:08.6

but during the winter things went from bad to worse to awful.

1:13.6

No surprise then that politicians took an interest too.

1:17.6

In April, loyal listener Jeremy Marchand noticed a claim made on Twitter by the Liberal Democrats.

1:24.7

120 people died per day last year while waiting for an ambulance to arrive.

1:30.8

Jeremy asked us, can this possibly be true?

1:34.0

Well, our reporter Nathan Gower has been looking into this for a cell of Nathan.

1:37.8

Hi Tim. Nathan, 120 people a day, it sounds really bad.

1:42.5

Yes, it does sound bad. This claim comes from a piece of research.

1:46.8

The Lib Dems published in late April and all their claims relate to ambulance services in England.

1:52.7

They sent freedom of information requests to the 10 different ambulance trusts in England,

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