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Today's guest is Louis Richmond.

Lewis has been a Buddhist meditation teacher, an author, musician, and software entrepreneur.

In his most recent book, Aging as a Spiritual Practice, a contemplative guide to growing older

and wiser, he lays out a vision of the aging process, which allows for, he says,

awakening a spirit of fulfillment and transformation. He shares the key Buddhist tenet that,

yes, everything changes. We're all impermanent. This acceptance that things do indeed change

is the foundation and roadmap to accepting what comes,

the blessings and challenges with growing older. He suggests that we can perhaps learn to chart

a course that includes fresh beginnings and new possibilities, even as we face the many losses

that naturally and inevitably come with aging. Now, here's Lewis.

Lewis, it's great to have you with us on Untangle today. Thanks so much for being here.

You're welcome. So we're going to talk about your book that is called Aging as a Spiritual

Practice, a contemplative guide to growing older and wiser. And I want to start with a question,

do you think it's possible to really change the way our culture thinks about aging? And if so,

how do we shift to that? And how do we shift the way it affects us as individuals?

I don't know if the culture will change. I think to the extent it'll change. It'll simply

demographically, there are just so many more baby boomers. We're a big boom. Right.

And we're growing. And we have a lot of money and we have a lot of influence. And

we're running the country, running the states. But that's not the culture. The culture is really

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