When you are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get criticized.

You do?

Yeah. Did you hear about that?

I didn't find the one. I found someone I respected and we made it the one.

In a sort of longing kind of view of love, people understand each other as if by magic.

Nothing in itself is addictive on one hand. And in the hand, everything could be addictive if

there's an emptiness in that person that needs to be filled. I now know that nobody changes

until they change their energy. And when you change your energy, you change your life.

I'm Gwyneth Peltro. This is the Goop Podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture

changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers. Here to start

conversations, because simply asking questions and listening has the

power to change the way we see the world.

Here we go.

This week, we're sharing a gem from the Goop Podcast Archives.

My guest today is Thomas Curran.

Thomas is a social psychologist and a professor at the London School of Economics.

His new book is called The Perfection Trap, Embracing the Power of Good Enough. In it, he explores how perfectionism manifests, why it's on the rise and its impact on us individually and collectively.

As you'll hear in our conversation, I was drawn to Thomas's work because of where I find myself at this juncture in my life and the reckoning I've had with my own levels of self

criticism over the years. We talked about how we have both felt a softening of this in our own

lives and we discussed how and why perfectionism

is growing among young people and teenagers. Thomas explains the trap of perfection and why it's

ultimately a form of self-sabotage. And he shares the steps that we can take to break free from

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