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🗓️ 23 May 2022
⏱️ 45 minutes
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This week we're talking all things insomnia or sleep struggles in relation to anxiety. Which came first, the crappy sleep or the anxiety? Which can we work on to improve the other? For this chat my expert guest is psychotherapist, sleep specialist and author Heather Darwall-Smith who has some really interesting takes on anxiety in general here, but particularly when it comes to sleep. Sleep in itself can be such a source for anxiety - the pressure to get the best sleep. Heather gracefully bulldozes through a lot of what you normally hear about sleep and offers very practical, reasonable advice to help take the edge off your sleep woes. Her book, The Science of Sleep is out now. Read more about Heather here and follow me on @OwningItPodcast here.
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0:24.4 | Hello. Carolineforren.substack.com. Thank you. Hello, dear listener, and welcome to Oni at the Anxiety Podcast with me, Caroline |
0:28.5 | Forin. My guest this week is psychotherapist, an author of The Science of Sleep, Heather |
0:34.1 | Darwal-Smith. She is so knowledgeable on the subject of, well, I mean many subjects |
0:39.1 | She's got so many letters after her name |
0:40.6 | But for this episode we're talking about sleep and insomnia |
0:43.3 | And the relationship between stress and anxiety and insomnia |
0:46.3 | How we can become less stressed about sleep |
0:48.6 | Because often when we try to better our sleep, we get stressed about it |
0:51.5 | That just keeps us on the cycle of not sleeping because we're anxious and then anxious |
0:55.7 | because we're not sleeping. |
0:56.6 | It is such a mindfield. |
0:58.4 | Heather totally diffused that anxiety for me in this conversation. |
1:03.1 | She has so many helpful tips that don't add to your list of to-dos but really just help |
1:08.1 | you decompress and how important that is. Thank you as always for listening |
1:12.2 | for your feedback, for your reviews, for your shares. And do follow me on Instagram. I have a new |
1:17.1 | page called at Owning It Podcast where I'm sharing lots more resources relating to the podcast, so tips, |
1:24.3 | explainers. So do join me over there. And thank you as always. |
1:34.2 | Heather Darwell-Smith, thank you so much for being a guest on owning it the anxiety podcast. |
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