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🗓️ 1 March 2022
⏱️ 28 minutes
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There’s only one story we wanted to do a deep dive into this week: Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The conflict has escalated in recent days. It’s a humanitarian story, an economic story and a story of history.
Someone who is well familiar with that history is Francis Fukuyama, a political scientist at Stanford University. Fukuyama is known for his 1992 book, “The End of History,” in which he argued that the great ideological battles between East and West are effectively over.
On the show today, we check in with Fukuyama about that concept, given today’s context and the significance of a land war on the European continent.
“One of the reasons that people have paid special attention to Ukraine is that it sets an important precedent for what will happen in East Asia,” he said. “Ukraine may be kind of a dry run for how much resistance there’s going to be to what’s happening in that theater. The biggest challenge to current world order actually is not Russia, but it’s China, simply because Chinese power is much more multidimensional than Russian power.”
In the News Fix, we discuss Western media coverage of the conflict in Ukraine and how it compares to coverage of conflicts in the Middle East and Africa. Plus, the U.S. is the world’s top oil producer, so why does it still import oil from Russia? We’ll explain.
Later, we hear from a listener who paid a big price for a cheap app. And we get an answer to the Make Me Smart question that has us wondering about a linguistic phenomenon. (Hopefully you can help us.)
Here’s everything we talked about today:
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| 0:00.0 | Look at that, I got to queuing today through the glass, Jake's like, hey go. |
| 0:05.5 | Hey everybody, I'm Kyle Ruzdal, what gonna make me smart? |
| 0:07.6 | None of us on this podcast are as smart as all of us. |
| 0:10.1 | That's what we like to say. |
| 0:12.6 | And I'm Kimberly Adams. |
| 0:14.0 | It's Tuesday, which means it's time to dive deep into a single topic or deeper, whatever. |
| 0:20.2 | And today we're gonna talk about one of the main stories we've been talking about. |
| 0:24.3 | Of course, Russia and the Ukraine invasion. |
| 0:28.1 | It has gotten worse, obviously on the ground the last couple of days. |
| 0:32.8 | Forces are moving, people are being killed, refugees by the... |
| 0:36.6 | I think the last number I saw was 600,000 are moving to the West. |
| 0:41.0 | So this is obviously a horrible humanitarian story, it's an economic story. |
| 0:45.8 | It's also a story of history though. |
| 0:48.6 | This is a land war on the European continent, which I never thought I would see in my lifetime. |
| 0:53.4 | I don't know, maybe our guest has a different thought. |
| 0:56.1 | We're gonna talk about that today and what it means in the context of where we have been. |
| 1:01.6 | And that guest is Dr. Francis Fukuyama, a political economist. |
| 1:05.5 | And Senior Fellow at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford, Dr. Fukuyama, |
| 1:11.4 | welcome. |
| 1:12.4 | Thank you very much, Kimberly. |
| 1:15.8 | So it's been more than three decades since your book, The End of History, where you talked |
| 1:21.4 | about this idea that the great ideological battles between East and West were effectively |
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