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Welcome to the HBR Idea Cows from Harvard Business Review. I'm Allison Beard.

Most of us know that we can learn a great deal from people in other disciplines. So you'll

find business leaders who studied social sciences like psychology or law, applied sciences

like math and engineering, and humanities like history or languages. But our guests today

believe that there's a field executives and managers don't consider closely enough. They

say that all the creative work that's gone into the hit music made by artists like Beyoncé,

Lady Gaga, Bjork, Forell, Justin Timberlake, Prince, Yo Yo Ma, Bon Jovi, or The Beatles can

also be applied to our corporate endeavors. Whether it's becoming better at experimentation,

collaboration, or reinvention, we can learn a ton from these musicians. With me today is

Pano's Penet, the outgoing Senior Vice President for Global Strategy and Innovation at Berkeley

College of Music, and the incoming co-president of the Recording Academy, which presents the

Grammys. And Michael Hendrix, partner in Global Design Director at IDO, the Design and

Innovation Consulting firm. Together, they wrote the book Two Beats A Hat, What Musical

Minds Teach Us About Innovation, and they're here to explain why we should all think more

like musicians, even if we can't carry it to them. Pano's Michael, thanks so much for

being here. Thank you. Thanks, Allison.

So why have you pinpointed musicians in particular as important people to learn from versus

another kind of artist or an athlete or a coach? Well, partially it's because we've worked

with musicians all of our lives. We've been musicians. I've personally been immersed in music

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