This episode is brought to you by the current account switch service. Running a small business

comes with all sorts of ups and downs. So the last thing you need are unwanted surprises, just like

when you switch bank accounts. That's why the current account switch service guarantees against

any shocks, stresses, and wait, have we been charged for 3,000 pens instead of 30 moments?

Find out more at currentaccountswitch.co.uk.

I've been on this quest to find new analogies to describe what's happening with Donald Trump and the federal government right now.

And that's how last week I found myself on the line with Gabor sharing.

Gabor, how often are you back in Hungary these days?

I try to go there at least once or twice a year.

So last I was there was for the end of the year,

run Christmas in December.

Gabor is a professor now, but a decade back, he was a member of Parliament.

He was just 29 years old, representing Budapest as Prime Minister Victor Orban came to power.

Gabor had a front row seat as Orban remade his country,

which is part of why he doesn't live there anymore.

When I asked him what it feels like to return to Hungary these days, he sighed.

Overall, my generic personal impression is rather bleak.

The way the country has been completely changed by Viktor Orban, it has become a more frustrated

country, a darker place in many ways.

People's relationships with each other, I think, are more hostile.

You've probably heard Victor Orban's name in the last few months. For a lot of conservatives,

Orban's Hungary serves as a model. When Prime Minister Orban visited Washington last year,

...