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The Good Fight

Lessons From A Pandemic

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Leana Wen is fighting on the frontlines of the pandemic. She's not only taking on Covid-19, but also the rampant disinformation and political flip-flopping that turned a manageable threat into one of the worst crises in American history. An emergency physician and Washington Post columnist, Wen has emerged as one the nation's most poignant voices on America's dire need to prioritize public health. In this week's conversation, Yascha Mounk and Dr. Leana Wen sit down to discuss the failures of expert opinions, the deadly consequences of inaction, and what the West needs to do to improve public health for the decades to come.  Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:44.4

We're not comfortable with the possibility that not doing something is a decision too.

0:50.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:58.0

It has now been over a year since the pandemic really closed down Western democracies.

1:07.3

Since we've had stay-at-home orders, since restaurants were closed down, since many shops shut at the doors.

1:14.9

I have spoken before on this podcast about the contrast between our expectations

1:21.1

then and the reality of what happened over the last year.

1:25.1

I have spoken about the fact that at the time it felt as though this would prove a real test of a global

1:30.9

economy, it would prove the irrationality of just in time

1:34.9

production mechanisms, for example.

1:38.0

And it would prove the capability of our economic system,

1:45.0

economic system, welfare state capitalism, a strong capitalist element with a real welfare state

1:50.0

element, has turned out to be surprisingly resilient, our governments have in many ways

1:57.0

failed. I want to revisit that theme for my little spiel today because I still think that we haven't

2:06.8

grappled enough and I haven't grappled enough with the extent of our failure, which has only become clearer over the last months as the United States and the United Kingdom are slowly starting to move out of the pandemic but many European countries have done such a bad

2:27.2

job on the vaccine rollout have failed to conclude these contracts early enough that they are still in deep lockdown with schools closed with curfews with just extreme restrictions on the lives of citizens.

2:45.0

And it seems to me that this will seriously damage the prestige of democracy in two ways.

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