The newspaper business can be glorious and tragic.

This week's guest has experienced all of it.

He's written about it in a new memoir.

The experience of becoming Rupert Murdoch's He's written about it in a new memoir,

the experience of becoming Rupert Murdoch's copy boy,

and then going to become one of Murdoch's top executives.

Welcome to the Reliable Sources Podcast. I'm your host Brian Stelter and this weekly

podcast is our chance to go more in-depth behind the headlines with media

leaders and newsmakers. I'm definitely joined by a media leader now, Les Hinton.

He's the former CEO of Dow Jones and Company.

He's the author of a new book, a memoir titled,

An Untidy Life, what I saw at the Media Revolution.

Les, thanks for being here.

Good to be here.

This revolution that you've seen, what is it in a nutshell?

It is the complete turning upside down of the old models of communication.

Newspapers were once the all-powerful medium, and now they're not.

You say in the book, you know know when you decided to write a memoir

you knew that Rupert would be a big chunk of it you'd have to talk about him and

and and your experiences with him so I'd love to hear more about him, but also about, you know, why you're

reflecting now on the, really the golden age of newspaper publishing.

Yeah. Why did you decide to write about what you call this untidy life and news?

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