Welcome into the House of L podcast. I'm Lauren Tombs. Thanks for hanging out here with me.

I'm on the road right now. I went on a little mini vacation. So I'm out of town and I was out of

town when I got the news this morning about less. And of course, like it made me tremendously sad.

I wanted to try though. I want to try and talk about like what less meant to me and also try to

talk about the fun of less grab steam. In this episode, he's become it's so interesting to me

because I think there were a lot of people who always like less. Even when I started working at

the score and I'll get to that in a little bit, but he's become like a cult hero in circles.

And I know John Greenberg has done a lot writing stories about less and his idiosyncratic nature

all of the things that made less less. I started out at the score in 1998

and my first full-time job was being the overnight producer. Like when I started,

there was a lot of us. It was me, it was Zampillo, Speaks. Speaks had been there a couple of years,

Matt Fishman. There was a bunch of us there when I started. A lot of them who've gone on to work

in the industry, but you kind of had to build like stair step your way up as a producer. Usually,

you were a tape person first, and then you got the opportunity to work on weekend shows. That

was part of it. Then you would fill in. If this producer had some time off or if someone got sick,

they'd ask you, can you come and run the heavy fuel cruise shows, stuff like that? And if a full-time

position came available, it was like a fight at the bat rack and getting an opportunity to get

benefits and a salary and all of those things. So I got the opportunity to produce

lesses show overnight. And back then, man, we're truly overnight. If I have this right, it was

Tommy Williams 9P to 1A because we were on 1160 at that point and we had just started to move into

24-hour programming. And so I got to produce less 1am to 5.30am before the bull in the bear would come

into the studio. And I always loved it. You know, Doug would come in at like 315 and you'd always

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