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🗓️ 29 September 2023
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Leor is a writer and researcher. He’s currently a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a frequent contributor to City Journal, particularly on issues of gender identity and public policy.
For two clips of our convo — on the sudden skyrocketing of girls seeking transition, and how the medicalizing of trans kids destroys their ability to have orgasms in the future — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: Leor’s childhood bouncing between the US and a kibbutz in Israel; getting drafted into the IDF and serving in a combat unit; traveling the globe afterwards; getting a BA in Haifa and a PhD at Boston College; doing a Harvard postdoc on the Obama administration’s redefinition of male and female under Title IX; the Dutch protocol; the shift from “transexual” to “transgender”; Stoller and Money; the Reimer twins; how there’s no single definition of “transgender” in Gender Studies; autogynephilia; how “early-onset gender dysphoria” is mostly effeminate boys who turn out to be gay; Jazz Jennings; Marci Bowers; how puberty blockers were originally a “pause button” — not a transition method; the suicide scare-tactic; the Tavistock Center and Time to Think; the US shift from “watchful waiting” to “gender-affirming care”; the shifting rhetoric of “conversion therapy” and “born that way”; trans athletes; the euphoric effect of a T surge; Masha Gessen; Rachel Levine; how “nonbinary” is one of the fastest growing identities; and tales of detransition.
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0:00.0 | The Hi there and welcome to another dishcast. |
0:32.3 | It's my last day up here in Providence, down actually, and it's a gorgeous day. |
0:37.2 | Before I head back to our nation's |
0:38.6 | capital, and I'm just absorbing it all. It's a little, you know, it's a little happy, sad, |
0:44.4 | because I'm here where Bowie was with me all the time, and it's very hard to get away from |
0:50.0 | the memories of her everywhere, and I just picked up her ashes today, and that's always a little hard. |
0:57.0 | Anyway, I have a guest today. |
0:59.1 | We have a guest today. |
1:00.3 | I've been wanting to talk to who I've only come to really know through reading him over the last few years. |
1:08.6 | Leo Sampere is a writer and a researcher. He's currently a fellow at the Manhattan |
1:13.7 | Institute and a frequent contributor to City Journal, particularly on issues of gender identity |
1:19.6 | and public policy, specifically the treatment of children with gender dysphoria. And the reason |
1:25.3 | I noticed his writing is that it's a rare thing. It's a |
1:30.3 | calm, painstaking, a really extraordinary well-researched attempt to understand what we know |
1:37.4 | and what we don't know. And what we don't know is quite a lot. But he struck me as someone |
1:42.8 | who was in the center here, someone who was attempting |
1:45.7 | to find a way through the thicket of issues that we have, especially with respect to children. |
1:52.2 | And I know some of you think I go on about this too much. Well, you don't have to listen. |
1:58.0 | If you're bored by this, you cannot listen. I do think it is an incredibly |
2:01.4 | important topic in public policy right now. And I want us to better understand what we're |
2:08.6 | talking about, essentially. And I think there's a lot of talking past one another and a lot of |
2:13.6 | misunderstandings of what. So I hope to take things slowly today and talk with Leor |
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