We believe she's here. She's present. She's alive. And we want to save her. Those are the words of Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos on the condition of Nancy Guthrie. So the question is, where is she and who took Nancy?

Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waltman.

What's up, SDS Nation? Welcome to Survive and Survivor. This is the global phenomenon, bringing you the very best guests in all of true crime with something like more

than 50 countries represented with our community around the world.

And it is day four in the search for missing Nancy Guthrie, otherwise known as the mother

to Savannah Guthrie, host of the today show.

We're continuing to follow some really fast-moving and highly sensitive developments in the

disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy.

Overnight, a literal avalanche of news, you know, breaking up breaking.

And right now, I've got to say it is very difficult to separate fact from fiction or fact from speculation.

We're going to try to slow everything down here.

And if you think we've got best guests tonight, we've got stellar guest and includes a living legend without further ado.

Dr.

Ann Burgess, she is still a professor at Boston College's School of Nursing, deemed a living

legend a bunch of years back.

And essentially, all you need to know about Ann is she created or helped create the science of criminal profiling

with the FBI back in the 60s and no one better when it comes to that. Next up, I've got to introduce

everyone in a certain order so I make sure I give Phil Waters in the right spot. Detective Phil Ramos, Las Vegas homicide,

three-time officer of the year, did undercover narcotics before that guy rides a Harley and is

all around a cool dude. One detective rides a Harley, the other drives, not one, but two Ferraris,

and I got him in the right spot.

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