All right. Well, before we get started here, I just want to read this headline. This is hilarious. This is

from the New York Times. They put this guest essay out. This would have been on the 10th. The new

food pyramid brought to you by big meat. Now, I saw this. I said, look, everyone's talking about it.

Big meat. Everyone's, you know, thinking about big meat. Big meat's been like just in my brain. I'm having a tough time grasping big meat. Obviously, it's on the tip of everyone's tongues. So I wanted to bring an expert in. What are your thoughts on big meat? Do you think big meat is maybe, it's like kind of an imposing force? Do you think RFK is shoving big meat down everyone's throats? What do you think is going on?

Yeah, I think about big meat a lot. It occupies a lot of my thinking, a lot of my writing is about big meat, about what big meat means, how you would define big meat, you know, what constitutes

big meat, one small meat, or average meat, even, you know.

Right.

But, but yeah, but to be, to be serious, though, you know, this, this notion of big meat actually is absurd.

I mean, what they want you to believe, I think, really is that basically there's big,

like there's big ag and you've got big corn and you've got big soy and you've got big beef and

big chicken and big pork. And they're all kind of competing forces within the market. Right.

And so, you know, what's good for big meat, for big beef or big

corn or big chicken or big pork isn't good for big soil or big corn? Well, that simply isn't the

case. I mean, it might once upon a once upon a time have been the case that you had conglomerates

that were just in chicken or beef or pork and conglomerates that were in

grains. But agriculture is so deeply, deeply integrated in the US now. So if you look at a

mega corporation like Cargill, for example, Cargill is one of the largest grain companies in the world and has been for the better part of a century or more.

They're also the biggest or one of the biggest beef producers in the US. So this notion that somehow all RFK Jr. has done is he's kind of like, you know, flipped to switch and now instead of

favoring big grain, he's favoring big meat is just nonsense because you can't actually, you can't

separate them. There's no, I mean, so it is a nonsense. It really is a nonsense to suggest that this

is just about pleasing or pandering to a new set of corporate interests. You know,

the big meter, big meter slipping RFK Jr., you know, stakes in the background or something.

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