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Thank you. So thank you so much, Meredith, for joining me.

So before we start talking about Stephen Avery,

leaving Neverland just aired last night,

and I watched it, I know you watched it.

What are your thoughts on it?

I think this is a public relations nightmare for the Jackson estate.

You know, those, I understand that, like, the backstories of each boys are questionable.

Like, Wade Robson only came out and said he was molested after saying he wasn't.

Apparently, the situation was going on

at the time where he needed money for his family. And then I read online that he apparently

wanted a job in the Cirque Diesel Way and the Jackson's were like producing it and they didn't

choose him for it. So they're trying to

claim that this is, um, you know, retribution or punishment for whatever. Um, I, I believe those

victims, both of them and what was concerning was how similar their stories were.

Very.

That both of them said that he liked to view them in a certain angle.

And what ran true to me was when Wade Robson or Robson?

I've been saying Robson, but I hope that's...

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