Leaked Charlie Kirk Messages Spark Rift Inside Turning Point USA
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🗓️ 8 October 2025
⏱️ 13 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody. It's me, Sam Stein, back with my buddy. Will Summer, author of False Flag, |
| 0:04.6 | one of the most incredibly insightful, significant, important journalistic endeavors of the past |
| 0:12.4 | quarter century I've been told. Is that my right? |
| 0:15.1 | Music to my ears. I might have gone for the past hundred years, but yeah, sure, |
| 0:19.0 | quarter century is modest, I suppose. |
| 0:21.4 | All right, so, well, we're going to be talking about a popery of stories because there's |
| 0:26.2 | a lot of weird shit happening out there and hear the guy who explains weird shit to me. |
| 0:30.7 | I want to start with these Charlie Kirk texts. |
| 0:33.7 | This is a really unsavory one. |
| 0:35.3 | It kind of made me uncomfortable to sift through it, but there's some |
| 0:39.4 | broader significance that I think makes it materially important. Explain what exactly is going on, |
| 0:45.8 | because it comes in this context of like a larger fight over his legacy and whether or not he had |
| 0:52.4 | been in the middle of some political and even religious conversions |
| 0:55.0 | towards the end of his life. |
| 0:56.7 | Sure. |
| 0:57.0 | So the background here is that Charlie Kirk, after his assassination, as you said, there's |
| 1:01.8 | been this big fight over his legacy. |
| 1:03.8 | And one of the key players here has been his friend, former Turning Point USA employee, Candice |
| 1:09.0 | Owens, who's now a mega popular YouTuber. And basically, |
| 1:12.6 | she before the funeral... I think we all know who she is. Okay. Just to be there. I appreciate that. |
| 1:18.0 | So even before the funeral, she went out and started saying, you know, I think there's these conspiracies. |
| 1:21.6 | You know, I, he was, but before he died, he was about to turn on Israel. And there's kind of this |
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