Leadership lessons from Zelenskyy and Putin

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🗓️ 29 March 2022

⏱️ 37 minutes

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As Russia continues to attack Ukraine, the whole world is watching a momentous clash of leadership styles. No one is more qualified to analyze the situation than political scientist and former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. In this episode, he and Adam discuss Putin’s motives, Zelensky’s rise, and the leadership lessons from this crisis. For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/T4G25

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0:00.0	Hey worklifers, it's Adam Grant.
0:04.3	Today's episode is a rich and timely conversation about leadership.
0:08.2	I want to thank our sponsors, LinkedIn, Morgan Stanley, ServiceNow, and UKG for making it possible.
0:14.3	Our focus today is on what the Warren Ukraine reveals about leadership,
0:18.4	both the promises and the pitfalls.
0:21.0	It involves two larger-than-life leaders, Putin and Zelensky,
0:24.7	who have chosen dramatically different approaches through this extreme situation.
0:29.1	My guest, Michael McFall, is uniquely qualified to weigh in.
0:33.4	Mike is a political scientist at Stanford,
0:35.8	where he directs a center for international studies.
0:38.5	But he's not just an academic.
0:40.5	He served an important foreign policy roles in the White House,
0:43.8	most notably as the US ambassador to Russia,
0:47.2	but also a special assistant to President Obama on the National Security Council,
0:51.4	where he oversaw Russia and Eurasia.
0:54.1	I work for Obama during the campaign.
0:58.6	I was one of the first foreign policy advisors on his team.
1:01.9	During the transition, there were several options in terms of who had land where,
1:07.4	and what job one might have.
1:10.0	One of the jobs I was being considered for was ambassador to Ukraine,
1:14.2	back in the fall of 2008.
1:16.3	I actually wrote my first book on Ukraine in 2006, and edited volume,
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