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We round it up every Prime Minister with Andrew Jimson and in 2022, Nigel Fletcher from the

Centre for Opposition Studies has been telling us about every leave of the opposition who

crucially never made it to number 10, from Charles James Fox all the way through to Keir

Sturmer, so let's get on with it then, hit the button, Charles.

First up on today's episode, it's Robert Carr.

He had a quite prominent career, he was home secretary under Ted Heath and as you say yes,

he's claimed to be on this list was that he was acting leader of the opposition for a

week, which as we've discovered is part of the course for many of these leaders that

we've had some of these acting leaders, and it was in 1975 when Ted Heath was defeated

by Margaret Thatcher in the leadership election, and in those days it was the MPs who had

the final say, so we had the first ballot of that leadership election taking place in

February, and then a week later they had the final ballot, in between those two, Ted

Heath actually stood down and asked Robert Carr, who was that time-shadow chancellor, to

assume the duties of the leader, so he was acting leader for that week and handed over

to Margaret Thatcher.

Why was that?

Why did Heath not just do the last week?

Well, it is extraordinary, I think people have sort of forgotten this.

I don't think it had that much of an effect, I mean I think parliamentary appearances during

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